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Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby noise5150 » 15 Mar 2013, 13:21

I wasn't sure where to post this. I've been looking at the DSL40C as a possible new purchase and I've been comparing it to the Blackstar HT Club 40 and noticed that the Blackstar only 2 ECC83s whereas the Marshall has 4 ECC83s. Both have 2 EL34s and both are 40 watts. I guess just a technical question as to why the Blackstar only needs 2?

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Re: Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby surlybastard » 15 Mar 2013, 14:38

Since Blackstar will not put out schematics on their products there's no clear answer for this question, but most have speculated there's some solid state pieces to the signal path. Take my HT-5 for example: it has a one 12AX7 in the pre amp and a 12BH7 in the power amp. Now I'm no expert but with only one pre amp tube I'm guessing that they designed it so that the tube is used for all the clipping, but everything else (tone stack, PI, Effects loop) are all solid state. So it's hardly an 'all tube' amp as they advertise, that said it sounds great for a basement hacking around amp so I don't care.

As far as the HT-40 goes I really don't know, maybe someone else has a better idea than I.
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Re: Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby Alpeggio » 15 Mar 2013, 14:43

Because the Blackstar is not a full valve circuit, it has some solid state instead because its cheaper I think. Many amps have this though, and doesn't always mean it sounds poor, My H+K Statesman 50w is another example, only 2 preamp valves.
I have played both the amps you are looking at, and I"d say the Marshall is more detailed and has a much better tone.
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Re: Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby michael_dba » 15 Mar 2013, 20:41

I had a Blackstar HT20 head. When I was looking for info on it, it appears to be considered a hybrid amp, with lots of solid state circuitry. Not saying it's bad, just that it has a lot of solid state stuff in there not just for voicing.

-1 for Blackstar keeping their schematics top secret.

I figure there is a good story behind these ex-Marshall engineers leaving Marshall and starting Blackstar.
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Re: Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby Capel » 15 Mar 2013, 20:48

michael_dba wrote:I figure there is a good story behind these ex-Marshall engineers leaving Marshall and starting Blackstar.


Considering that Steve D & Santiago are still there & having seen & heard what they've come out with the last few years, maybe the other guys left because they were shite?? :whatever
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Re: Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby sikter » 16 Mar 2013, 02:05

Engineers leaving one and starting up new company happens all the time.
No matter what products thay're designing. That's how humans are.
You can't keep too many in one place and keep them all happy for a
long period of time. Take a look what happens to almost all rock bands.
(The Rolling Stones are not humans)
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Re: Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby surlybastard » 16 Mar 2013, 06:26

If you're trying to decide between both try to play them side by side, they're very different although share a lot of tonal similarities. The DSL is a Marshall, thus has the Marshal vibe to it while the Blackstar is certainly an offshoot of the Marshall sound it's certainly a bit darker sounding. No wrong answer on this really
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Re: Marshall DSL40C vs Blackstar HT Club 40 Preamp Tubes

Postby noise5150 » 18 Mar 2013, 12:13

I have to see if my local Guitar Center has the DSL40c Id really like to try it out and compare it to my DLS50 head

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